Comparison between Theosophy and Krishnamurti

 

Category

Theosophy

Krishnamurti

Motto

"There is no religion higher than truth"

"Truth is a pathless land"

Aspects of truth

"some portions .. proclaimed" 1)

"truth has no aspects" 2)

Theoretical vs. personal

"truth by direct experience" 3)

"... through observation" 4)

Comparison

"Contrast alone ..." 5)

"... is not understanding " 6)

Higher and lower selves

3-fold nature of Self 7)

"an idea, not a fact" 8)

Reincarnation

Part of "pivotal doctrine" 9)

"immaterial" 10)

Spiritual path(s)

Many or One

"Truth is a pathless land" 11)

(Spiritual) Evolution

"perpetual progress for each incarnating Ego" 12)

"Doesn’t exist" 13)
"Life can not have a plan" 14)

Ladders

"No single rung of the ladder ... can be skipped" 15)

"the ladder of hierarchical achievement, is utterly false" 16)

Masters

"undeniable existence" 17)

"Your own projections" 18)

Mediators

Send out periodically

Exploiters

Nationalism/Patriotism

To be awakened

Absurd and cruel 19)

Ceremonies

"have their place ... [and] use" 20)

"illusions" 21)
"no avail" 22)

Vows

"for ever binding" 23)

To exploit people 24)

Secret doctrines and Occultism

Wisdom-Religion of the Mahatmas

Rejected as "utterly valueless" 25)
and "discarded" 26)

Theosophy

"aggregate of the knowledge and wisdom that underlie the Universe" 27)

"your conception of wisdom is utterly false ... your theories are utterly valueless" 28)

Theosophical Society

"storehouse of all the truths" 29)

"based on ... exploitation" 30)

Religions

"complementary" 31)

"divide and destroy" 32)

True religion

"a bond uniting men together" 33)

"discovery of man's total process" 34)

Brahman

"impersonal supreme and uncognizable Principle of the Universe" 35)

"invention of thought" 36)

Atman

"Universal Spirit ... 7th principle ... Supreme Soul" 37)

"invention of thought" 36)

 

Some agreements

 

Personal God

"gigantic shadow of man" "a bundle of contradictions and a logical impossibility" 39)

"thought has created god" 40)

Oneness of consciousness

"Consciousness is one" 41)

"of the rest of mankind" 42)

Personal self/ego/’me’

To be renunciated 43)

To be dissolved 44)

Consciousness

Atman-Buddhi-Manas,
Monad-Ego-Self

Intelligence-Individuality-mind
(tentative)

 

1) "ENQUIRER. But how did this system come to be put forward just now?
THEOSOPHIST. Just because the time was found to be ripe, which fact is shown by the determined effort of so many earnest students to reach the truth, at whatever cost and wherever it may be concealed. Seeing this, its custodians permitted that some portions at least of that truth should be proclaimed." Key to Theosophy, 36.

2) Auckland 1934: Talk to Theosophists

3) " ... most people who become really earnest students of Theosophy, and active workers in our Society, wish to do more than study theoretically the truths we teach. They wish to know the truth by their own direct personal experience …" Key, 259

4) "He has to find it [truth] through the mirror of relationship, through the understanding of the contents of his mind, through observation and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection." J. Krishnamurti "The Core of Krishnamurti's Teaching" (Ojai CA: Krishnamurti Foundation of America, n.d.).

5) "Contrast alone can enable us to appreciate things at their right value; and unless a judge compares notes and hears both sides he can hardly come to a correct decision." H.P. Blavatsky. The Theosophist, July, 1881, p. 218.

6) "Fear is the process of the mind in the struggle of becoming. In becoming good, there is the fear of evil; in becoming complete, there is the fear of loneliness; in becoming great, there is the fear of being small. Comparison is not understanding; it is prompted by fear of the unknown in relation to
the known. Fear is uncertainty in search of security." J. Krishnamurti, Commentaries on Living I (New York: Harper, 1956), p. 148.

7) "... unless the higher Self or EGO gravitates towards its Sun the Monad -- the lower Ego, or personal Self, will have the upper hand in every case." Secret Doctrine ii, 110.

8) Rajghat 1963: Talk #2

9) "The pivotal doctrine of the Esoteric philosophy admits no privileges or special gifts in man, save those won by his own Ego through personal effort and merit throughout a long series of metempsychoses and reincarnations." SD i, 17.

10) "Now I am not going to answer whether I believe it or not, as I want to show that reincarnation is immaterial." Auckland NZ 1Apr34 Q24

11) "I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect." Ommen 1929: Talk #1

12) "... this doctrine of Reincarnation has not its equal on earth. It is a belief in a perpetual progress for each incarnating Ego, or divine soul, in an evolution from the outward into the inward, from the material to the Spiritual, arriving at the end of each stage at absolute unity with the divine Principle." Key, 154-155

13) Madras 1984: Talk #1

14) Eerde 19Jul28

15) "No single rung of the ladder leading to knowledge can be skipped. No personality [personal self or soul] can ever reach or bring itself into communication with Atmâ [divine self], except through Buddhi-Manas [higher self]..." H.P. Blavatsky, The Esoteric Writings of Helena Petrovna Blavatsky: A Synthesis of Science, Philosophy and Religion (Wheaton IL: Theosophical Publishing House, 1980), p. 414.

16) London 1949: Talk # 3

17) "The undeniable existence of great initiates-true "Sons of God"-shows that such wisdom was often reached by isolated individuals, never however, without the guidance of a master at first." Key, 57-58.

18) Madras 1949: Talk #1

19) " Through nationalism you can never come to human unity, to world unity. The absurdity and cruelty of
nationalism is beyond doubt, but the exploiters use nationalism to their own ends." Adyar 1933: Talk #2.

20) "Now that your eyes are opened, some of your old beliefs, your old ceremonies, may seem to you absurd, perhaps, indeed, they really are so. Yet though you can no longer take part in them, respect them for the sake of those good souls to whom they are still important. They have their place, they have their use; they are like those double lines which guided you as child to write straight and evenly, until you learned to write far better and more freely without them. There was a time when you needed them; but now that time is past." Alcyone, At the Feet of the Masters, 23

21) Ommen 13Aug33

22) Adyar 1933: Talk #2

23) "A pledge once taken, is for ever binding in both the moral and the occult worlds. If we break it once and are punished, that does not justify us in breaking it again, and so long as we do, so long will the mighty lever of the Law (of Karma) react upon us.' (The Path, July, 1889.)" As quoted in Key, 51.

24) " ... as most people love the avoidance of what is, there is built up an organization with properties and rituals, vows and secret gatherings ... novice and initiate, pupil and the Master, and degrees of spiritual growth even among the Masters. Most of us love to exploit and be exploited. This system offers the means, whether hidden or open." J. Krishnamurti, Commentaries on Living I (New York: Harper, 1956), p. 94.

25) Adyar 29Dec 32; SB May33

26) "So again one can see the falseness of the systems offered. Then there are other systems, including Zen and the various occult systems wherein the methods are revealed only to the few. The speaker has met with some of those but discarded them right from the beginning as having no meaning." Stanford 1969: Talk #4

27) "Theosophy, in its abstract meaning, is Divine Wisdom, or the aggregate of the knowledge and wisdom that underlie the Universe -- the homogeneity of eternal GOOD; and in its concrete sense it is the sum total of the same as allotted to man by nature, on this earth, and no more." Key, 56.

28) "Q: I have studied Theosophy very deeply and ...I say that your wisdom is essentially the truth of Theosophy. JK: You may study profoundly all the Theosophical books; but your conception of wisdom is utterly false + You gather dust from books and call it wisdom. I speak of a natural wisdom, beyond all books + To me your theories are utterly valueless." Adyar 1932:

29) "The Society has no wisdom of its own to support or teach. It is simply the storehouse of all the truths uttered by the great seers, initiates, and prophets of historic and even pre-historic ages; at least, as many as it can get. Therefore, it is merely the channel through which more or less of truth, found in the accumulated utterances of humanity's great teachers, is poured out into the world." Key, 57.

30) "Q: Are you or are you not a member of the Theosophical Society? JK: I do not belong to any religion, for organized belief is a great impediment, dividing man against man and destroying his intelligence. These societies and religions are fundamentally based on vested interests and exploitation." Mexico City 1935: Talk #2.

31) "But once get a man to see that none of them has the whole truth, but that they are mutually complementary, that the complete truth can be found only in the combined views of all, after that which is false in each of them has been sifted out -- then true brotherhood in religion will be established." Key, 45-46.

32) Colombo 1957: Talk #1

33) "It is perhaps necessary, first of all, to say, that the assertion that "Theosophy is not a Religion," by no means excludes the fact that "Theosophy is Religion" itself. A Religion in the true and only correct sense, is a bond uniting men together-not a particular set of dogmas and beliefs. Now Religion, per se, in its widest meaning is that which binds not only all MEN, but also all BEINGS and all things in the entire Universe into one grand whole. This is our theosophical definition of religion ... " BCW X, 161

34) London 1953: Talk #1

35) Theosophical Glossary, 62

36) Brockwood Park 1971: Talk #1

37) Theosophical Glossary, 43

38) Madras 1967: Talk #3

39) "We reject the idea of a personal, or an extra-cosmic and anthropomorphic God, who is but the gigantic shadow of man, and not of man at his best, either. The God of theology, we say -- and prove it -- is a bundle of contradictions and a logical impossibility. Therefore, we will have nothing to do with him." Key, 61.

40) Madras 1981: Q&A #2

41) "... the seven planes of Consciousness in the solar system ... . These may be figured as six within a seventh, which synthesizes all… Consciousness is one: it has seven states, or aspects, or planes, and each of these is everywhere." BCW XII, 657.

42) "So the whole idea of personal immortality becomes nonsensical when we realize that our consciousness is the consciousness of the rest of mankind." Ojai 1981: Talk #6

43) "Let them know at once and remember always, that true Occultism or Theosophy is the "Great Renunciation of SELF," unconditionally and absolutely, in thought as in action." BCW IX, 254.

44) "To be integrally intelligent means to be without the self" J. Krishnamurti, First and Last Freedom, 79.